You know nothing

[JON SNOW]

Jon Snow I guess you already know who Jon is. If you don't, he's believed to be the bastard son of Ned Stark - there's a whole host of theories who the mother was, actually, that managed to seduce Ned Stark, the man who basically defined Honor. Though raised along the trueborn sons, he remained a bastard and took the black. Long story short, somehow he ended up released from his vows and King in the North if you ask the Northerners, or Warden in the North if you ask the Targaryen host. Desperate times require desperate measures. He doesn't want to be king, or warden, or any sort of leader. He just wants to be at Winterfell, with Ghost, and his family, and pretend the world isn't about to end. But 'Family, Duty, Honour' are as much part of him as 'Winter is Coming', despite not being part of that house. He knows what is coming, and he can't sit back and let it happen. He's currently caught between a rock and a hard place; he seems to have given away the North's hard earned independence to a queen with hungry dragons and no love for the North. Not something he really wanted, and he is sort of thinking of ways out, if necessary, but first things first: survival. Jon is in desperate need of friends and allies. He doesn't really trust people anymore, aside from, well, Davos, Sam, Edd and Tormund, basically, and his family's sort of got a free pass too. Given his history, it's understandable. Still, he needs to interact with people, and maybe get along with a few. Even if there may be some shouting that needs to happen beforehand. He's currently at Winterfell, and he tends to not stay in the Great Hall. In fact, he tends to wander all over the place, and can regularly be found giving impromptu weapons training, sparring with the Free Folk, talking about supplies with Sam, or any other number of things generally considered too mundane and lowly for someone in power. Of course he also has enemies. Though elected king, (or left as warden of the North), I have no doubt there are still people wondering how he left the Night's Watch, or disgruntled at a bastard rising to this station - never mind the fact that apparently he's a trueborn Targaryen with a stronger claim to the Iron Throne than Daenerys herself, which she'll no doubt love not. Then there's the Lannisters and Lannister-allies, and he's not overly fond of Greyjoys at the moment, and the fact that he's a staunch supporter (and sole reason they're here) of the Free Folk, and there's enough ground for conflict. Then there's love. He once loved Ygritte, and she's still his big love, probably, but there definitely are feelings for Daenerys. Or were, maybe - given how he was raised, and by whom, I doubt incest, or sleeping with his aunt, is something that's easily palatable for him, so yay conflict of what his man parts want and what he thinks is proper. Definitely something to explore. He hasn't fallen in love other than those two women. As a king, or warden, or lord commander, or any kind of leader - he tends to lead by example, and will always be there on the front lines, in the thick of things. He doesn't want the power, he doesn't want to be feared or loved (though appreciation wouldn't go amiss), he just wants to do right by his men, his people. This hasn't changed even with the revelation that he's actually Aegon Targaryen, Sixth of his Name, rather than Jon Snow, Ned Stark's bastard. As an aside, albeit an important one, as a Targaryen and/or as a warg he seems to be able to have some sort of connection with Daenerys' dragons, something he hasn't explored yet. While aware of the existence of wargs, and even somewhat aware he is one, Ghost is the only one with whom he has shared a special connection, and even that is more instinct than any kind of conscious intent.

We look up at the same stars and see such different things

BRY of W&&R and CAUTION

[THEON GREYJOY]

Theon & Jon

Alright, these two will be fun. Jon and Theon had their brief reunion/heart to heart on Dragonstone , and since, Theon was able to rescue his sister, and then chose to go to Winterfell to help defend the North against the White Walker threat (or, you know, die trying).

I see Theon as being very loyal to Jon at this point. While he has a bond with Sansa because of what they’ve gone through, and a familiar obligation to Yara, Theon respects Jon because he feels like Jon deserves it. He’s still sort of surprised the guy didn't have him killed on sight, and he’s trying hard to prove himself and make amends for the things he’s done to Jon’s family.

Thread wise, we could have Theon brought to Jon when he first arrives, or they could end up finding each other later that day. I see Theon looking to Jon for instructions/orders when it comes to preparing for the battle, especially if he sees him out there working. He would want to find things he can do to be helpful but he’s definitely a little intimidated being back in Winterfell after everything that happened.

Something the show didn’t go into at all was how Theon was received in the North. While Sansa accepts him with open arms, I imagine a lot of people in Winterfell would not be happy to have Theon Greyjoy back in the castle. Certainly a good number would recognize him as Ramsay’s personal servant which is pretty much the last thing he wants to deal with right now. A lot of Northerners aren’t too happy with Jon, either, for giving up his claim and bending the knee, so especially if they’re together, I wouldn’t be surprised if they get some snide remarks/shit from other people.

Let me know what you think or if you have any others ideas! I’m pretty open to anything with them.

[JON SNOW]

I have a lot of feelings about them. First of all, they grew up together, and I think that dynamic was important. I think Jon is a bit older? Either way, they both vied for the position of Robb's. Best friend, and Theon theoretically had the better position, being noble and true born himself, as compared to Jon being a Snow. There's some residual resentment lingering, on Jon's side.

Additionally, Jon has not forgotten what Theon has done. Saving Sansa also saved his life, such as it is, but a part of him still wants a trial and execution. It's a tad complicated what with Daenerys and Yara around though. He's patient, though, and quite aware that every willing body was one, and Theon at least has had some training. Plus he's heard some of what Ramsay has done, and he has eyes, he can see that Theon is changed - maybe he's already been punished. 

I honestly think Jon will be a bit bewildered by Theon respecting him. The Free Folk respect him, and some of the Norherners, but he's not without perceived issues either, being a bastard and possibly a deserter. Which might be fun to play around with. 

Do you mean back on Dragonstone, or Winterfell? Either way, it sounds like a good starting point, letting them get a feel for each other again. 

[THEON GREYJOY]

Theon & Jon

They definitely had an interesting dynamic growing up! In a way they were both outcasts, and it’s interesting that Jon felt Theon had the better deal, because the way Theon saw it, he had his family and home and status kind of taken away from him, not so fairly. So maybe Jon had less, but Theon lost more? But I think that kind of explains some of the resentment between them! Not to mention, Theon’s always been sort of crass and inappropriate in humor, which I see getting to a young, broody Jon more than say Robb or Arya.

If Jon wanted a trial, Theon wouldn’t argue it, and he'd accept the outcome whatever it was. He really doesn’t believe he deserves forgiveness, though realistically, Ramsay probably punished him more than enough for what he’s done, and far more cruelly than Jon ever would. I think he feels guilty to the point that he hasn’t actually tried to explain himself, and wouldn’t even dream of trying to excuse his actions, but he would really want to make it clear to Jon that he didn’t just wake up one day and decide he wanted to betray them. That he went to Pyke with every intention of helping Robb, and that he made one bad choice and everything just kind of spun out of control.

I was thinking at this point they’d thread in Winterfell! In the show Jon arrives back home with Dany, and then Theon comes a little while later and asks to fight with them. And knowing his place and that Jon should have killed him, he’s not expecting to be a major player or anything. He doesn't expect great conditions and he’d honestly do any ‘lesser’ or grunt work, if that was what Jon wanted from him. On top of having respect for Jon, Theon has just been made very obedient from Ramsay, and even Yara. He basically follows orders and doesn’t really make decisions for himself anymore lol

[JON SNOW]

Yeah, Theon's manners, or lack thereof, definitely grated on Jon, I think, and, through no fault of Theon, it also grated that Theon was there when the North marched South to avenge Ned, and Jon couldn't.

I don't think he'd actually go for it, not with the circumstances being what they are, but it'll be a bit before Theon is forgiven, or at least granted a second chance. Jon is used to working and fighting with criminals, which helps in that regard xD

That sounds perfectly fine! I really need to go find some of the Jon scenes on YouTube, get a bit better caught up. I'm actually thinking that Jon might try to assign Theon to the Stark family? Guard Sansa, run errands etc.? That way he can keep an eye on him, plus he's proven that for Sansa, he can find courage.

Though there probably will be a bit of an interrogation beforehand. Dragonstone was neither the time nor place for such a conversation, but there's some catching up they both need to do, I imagine.

[THEON GREYJOY]

Theon & Jon

I actually love the idea of assigning him to the Stark family. It’s honestly the smartest thing Jon could do for all of them. Not only will Theon do anything to protect them at this point, but he feels much safer around them, and knows that its less likely others will hurt him if he’s working on Lady Sansa’s orders vs working in the armory or something. Not to mention I think he’d just shut down in an atmosphere like that and be utterly useless to everyone (similarly if he was isolated somewhere). So yeah, this would probably be the best option for Jon, Theon, and Sansa lol

The conversation is definitely overdue. They really only had two scenes together on Dragonstone, both very brief but worth a watch if you haven’t seen them- so I can see Jon coming to Theon after finding out he’s in Winterfell and deciding to grill him a bit, just to ease his own mind, before giving him a position.